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Sunday, January 15, 2006

another HP ? re voldemort

i am wondering whether voldemort has any knowledge of what happens with the horcruxes.

i have read that he will not know if a horcrux has been destroyed. ie. the locket. the diary.

my question.... does he know of what happened in the COS? does he have a memory or knowledge of the conversations he had with harry as the young tom riddle from the diary? does he know that he used ginny weasley? will he be able to make that connection if/when he learns of their affection for each other?

mmmm.....

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Blogger Merlin said...

I was just watching Revenge of the Sith (I had to since I decided to go ahead and get the DVD - painful ... I have decided that I shall henceforward refer to it as "New Sith on the Block" in reference to HK's boy band Vader ... sad thing is atht I have heard if you watch the extras you see that this is very much due to Lucas' directing)

Anyway, here is my guess - and it is mainly a gut feeling. Voldy does not know what happened, but he will find out. He will find out about Ginny and kidnap her, and he will be mildly surprised taht she seems to already know his personality somewhat - but then smile wickedly as he devises a plan to somehow try to use this - and I think it will be, in character, sort of like the Palpatine of the first SW trilogies (hence the opening reference) rather than the overdone charicature of the third movie.

I think he will know about using Ginny Weasely through Lcuius Malfoy, but not the details of her conversations with Riddle the HC.

I think the nature of HCs is that of schitzophrenia ... divided against yourself, maybe a latent part of the meaning being "at war with one's self" so I think he even kind of mistrusts his HCs. Here is an interesting question: what would have happened had the Riddle in the Diary HC achieved full form AND voldy himself achieved full form as he did in GOF? Would they be on each other's sides ... or like feudally warring sith lords?

ASIDE
Also, my friend Dominic with whom I just watched ROS, went to see the Narnia film for a 2nd or 3rd time last night (I had already seen it 3 times on opening weekend)and when he got back we were commenting that the Tilda Swinton two-sword thing is probably the best choreographed fighting scene of 2005, hands down - for one, just her physical stature and facial characteristics are so imposing, but the style of the fight is a world apart too - very fluid movement of the 2 swords traveling together for more force - poetry in motion ... not the over-done, sensory over-loaded saber battles of Clones and Sith - the only one of the new trilogy that approached it was the Maul fighting style in Menace. In Empire and Jedi you had much better Crescendoes beginning with several alternations of dialogue with saber-play, almost like movements in a symphony.

2:44 pm  
Blogger Merlin said...

sorry .. HC's boy band Vader

2:45 pm  
Blogger Merlin said...

I have been playing a little of the The Knights of the Old Republic: Sith Lords (the second game in the series, #3 not being out yet) recently and the one character is an "HK" droid (hunter-killer ... an assassin droid - who is in both games so far and in game two has some downright hilarious commentary on some events in the first game)

so, that is why the letters "HK" were in my head (in the second game you have to sort of rebuild him to get him as part of your party - so you are always asking various droid parts sellers along the way if they have any of several different HK droid parts - or you destroy some more recent model HK units that have been sent out to assainate your character and you plunder their droid remains)

2:53 pm  
Blogger jkr2 said...

what a fascinating possibility that brings up - if the 'diary riddle' had obtained a full physical body, and voldemort (the original)also had! yikes. i wonder if he would have had to 'vanquish' each extra self or if he would have engulfed them to become more 'whole'.

and i imagine this would be different with a plain ol' horcrux (which he would be keeping for contingency plans) and a fully realised alter ego.

4:06 pm  
Blogger Merlin said...

true, I had not thought of that distinction on the book as an "expressive" HC even with the capacity to will and act vs a regular HC (like the ring/locket/cup) I wonder what the other types of HCs are, I mean as in the particular type JKR has in mind in the history of them in her work in particular. I wonder if in her work the diary HC represents a unique development on the part of Riddle/Voldy in the practice of HC's

5:43 pm  
Blogger jkr2 said...

mmm.... could a 'realised horcrux' repent? go in a totally different direction than the original?
would it have a will of it's own, or only the imprint of the will at the time of the 'severing'?
or would that be little more than the level of personhood of an enchanted painting?

if it is an actual portion of an actual soul, i imagine it would have the capabilities of a soul, which leads back nicely to that other conversation you had goin over at muggle matters re the functions of a soul..
(forgive the clumsy phrase 'functions of a soul', just can't think of a more elegant way of putting that)

12:26 am  
Blogger jkr2 said...

sorry merlin, reading back i see that that is just what you were in fact saying!

12:27 am  
Blogger Merlin said...

that's ok ... a pretty confusing or inticate subject sometimes ... at present especially for my brain, which seems to be having what I refer to as a cloudy brain day.

9:10 am  

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