neville
poor ol' neville.
i'm really feeling for him atm.
in the DOM (during OotP) he was hit by the crucio curse by bellatrix.
so that is the same curse, by the same person who did that curse on his parents.
i wonder how it affected him to have such an unpleasant understanding of what drove them to madness.......
wanna give him a big ol' hug!
jo
i'm really feeling for him atm.
in the DOM (during OotP) he was hit by the crucio curse by bellatrix.
so that is the same curse, by the same person who did that curse on his parents.
i wonder how it affected him to have such an unpleasant understanding of what drove them to madness.......
wanna give him a big ol' hug!
jo
posted by jkr2 | 7:43 pm
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I am wary of getting my hopes up, but the series is all about healings and restoring balance etc - maybe Neville having first hand experience of the suffering undergone in being subject to the cruciatus will help him understand the paths of it causing extreme mental instability and maybe he will thus be able find a cure for thier mental state. An interesting thing is that Neville is an herbologist, and remember that in book 2 the cure for petrification by "near" contact with the Basilisk involved mandrake juice provided by Prof Sprout (interestingly coincidental is the fact that NL himself was petrified in book 1 by Hermione). Certain possibilities exist among the things Rowling has inserted in the books - it could be that NL finds a way that does cure his parents but hastens their deaths, but what he and they get in exchange is a few hours or days of conversation, a chance to look into each other's eyes as know each other as adults, the chance for his parents to have that pleasure that parents have in seeing their children full-grown and being able to talk to them as adults, and Neville finding the peace of knowing that before they died his parents got to know who he had become as a man and what accomplishments his talents and hard work had brought, that they had the chance to be proud of him in that way and that they knew and understood him as a man.
Like, I said, I'm not getting my hopes up (Rowling has an awfully lot on her plate to tie out and wrap up in book 7 as it is) but I would love to see it.
wow. great thought. like you say, that's a pretty big story line to fit in. but even if it was just mentioned in the last chapter? the one already written would be extremely cool.
i'm sure his interest in herbology must be for more than just that he was intended to come accross the gillyweed reference (which he didn't get asked for anyway....)
oi loike it a lot...
(sorry that was an australian joke)
jo
hey, that's a neat trick ... you see in HP alot the English accent thing, just like you see the dust-bowl depression accents in Steinbeck ... but that is the first time I have seen the Aussie accent written out and it clicked pretty quick ... pretty good :)
australians have a great affection for self deprecating humour.
"oi loike it... oi loike it a lot" is from a show called 'kath and kim' which is one of those shows with australians making fun of themselves through caricature.
i trust that i don't ACTUALLY sound like that!
(my accent is more moderate having british parents and all....)
jo
Like I said before, I highly recommend the music of Tom Waits (at least particular songs) to your DH.
One of the other songs that is good on "Real Gone" (the greatest, and maybe of his whole career, being "Hoist that Rag") is a soul type number called "Make it Rain". There is a line in it that breaks my heart when I hear it:
"I wanna believe, in the mercy of the world again ... you gotta make it rain, make it rain"
This pretty much sums up Neville to me: I want to see the situation with Neville's parents reach some resolution of him being able to communicate with them again as a man because "I want to believe in the mercy of the world again."
Another great line from this song is:
"I'm not Abel, I'm just Cain - Open up the heavens, Make it Rain"
This line connects with a few lines in another song called "Sins of My Father":
"God almighty for righteousness sake, the humiliation of our fallen state - written in the book ot Tubold Cain" (ask me on this sometime, In the genaology of Gen 4 there is no Tubold Cain, but I think the name may be a combination of Tubal/Jubal with a word play on "Too Bold")
and another line from a song called "Dirt in the Ground" from his "Bone Machine" Album, with a number of Biblical images used:
"Cain slew Abel, Killed him with a stone
The Sky cracked open, and the thunder groaned
Along a river of flesh, can these dry bones live
Take a king or a beggar and the answer they'll give,
Is that we're all gonna be just dirt in the ground" (I almost want to add the "sayeth Quoheleth/the preacher" from the book of Ecclesiastes)
(I know the chords to "Dirt in the Ground" and like to play it as a standard part of my repetoire - although not necessarily in groups of Christians I suspect may not understand the "Elcclesiastes" nature of the song and may mistakenly take offense to the lyrics)
OK ... I have finally Lighted upon THE definitve connection between Tom Waits and Harry Potter - I knew it was out there, it was so close I could taste it, it was on the tip of my brain but just eluding me like a cornich pixie.
Forget the lame "wizard rock and roll high school" the 4th movie substituted ... if you want to hear the Wierd Sisters for real, listen to Tom Waits (you'll like him Jo, his specialty is piano and guitar but he is really experimental with different instruments such as marimba etc, but also with mechanical warehouse type things used as percussion). Well, I would also suggest the Squirrel Nut Zippers album "perennial favorites" which I am listening to at the moment - great stuff
Waits' stuff has even already been used in a popular "fairy story" movie if you wish to hear a small sampling, in Shrek 2 when the father/king goes into the seedy bar looking for puss-in-boots, and Hook is playing piano and singing a song called "a little drop of poison" ... that's the man, that's tom waits
I would just add one further comment to what you said and what Paul said over on Muggle Matters about intentionality and Christian nature to art ... taht it comes out that way if one is Christian.
I think it was you who mentioned a Rowling quote about her faith being about whether she will regain it or something like that ... yet she writes these deeply Christian books.
There is stuff I would call "highly condusive" to Christianity (Rowling's stuff is this AND moves into the realm of being "technically" Christian through strucure, symbolism, themes etc ... as is evident from those statements on those who know the Christian story will be able to have a grasp on what is coming up etc)
Waits stuff is this stuff that is highly condusive at points ... even at points when he seems more "Critical" of religion as practiced in America, if you look at his characters that he creates in his songs, he has a certain sympathy, almost like that whole thing of the concept of the mysterious
BUT, since were' talking music ... I have to confess to my American side this morning - when I got on the computer I was in the mood for something upbeat and got a little nastolgic when I saw Prince's "Purple Rain" Album in my music folder ... when I was in Jr High I somehow got a tape with that album on one side and "Upstairs at Eric's" by Yaz (Vince Clark and Alison Moyet, before Clark went and did Erasure) on the other side and I played that tape till it was warped.
Forgot to finish thoughts on Waits - but it was basically that his music reveals, even in his "social criticism," a yearning "to believe in the mercy of the world again" that opens it up, through a simple modicum of honesty and sympathy, to the blood of Christ which is latent in the very basic fabric of Waits' make up cultural make-up/history to bleed through.
(in other words, to be raised in a culture that is in a "post-Christian" phase, as ours is at large, is a much different thing from being in one that never was Christian at all)
oh i love that last sentence!
you know, most of the people who are big on social criticism must be that way because they believe it is possible for things to be different than they are. and that it *should* be.
i'm afraid i'm a bit cynical. i don't believe that there's this great social revolution coming led by a christian revival or surge of church memberships.
i also don't see that it's predicted that way in *the book* iyswim.
i am big on trying to spread useful and positive information where possible and hope that 'those with ears to hear' will take it up yk? how god works on the hearts of those who don't is really a mystery and just not in my field of influence....
eg. gentle parenting. there are so many harsh and punitive parenting methods actively promoted in churches, and i think it grieves the heart of a father god to see his children treating their children like that and then 'blaming' him.
i'm a 'convert' there too, so i have a backstory of following a method with firstborn to spur me on to educating others if it's possible. but critisicing someone's parenting is a really serious deal and i hope i would never approach it that way.
you are intriguing me about tom waits. i think i've always thought 'travelling wilburies' when i hear his name and it's not really my cup of tea.
haven't seen shrek2 (though number 1 was charming and i enjoyed it when we eventually saw it.)
(don't get to the movies much, and we're not of the ilk of those who feel their children *must* see/have every latest greatest thing. also our oldest child has an incredibly vivid imagination and we have been very careful with what she sees - though since she hit 7 her brain seems to have matured greatly and she is able to cope much better. - brief example. she saw a puppet show about brushing your teeth when she was 3 1/2 and didn't eat for a couple of days as the concept of 'plaque' was so horrific to her. she also had a series of nightmares after seeing the original 'charlie and the chocolate factory' with gene wilder. and it was the wistfulness of it all that disturbed her so much lol.)
hey, maybe these 'comments' should actually be called 'clueless tangents on clueless ramblings' lol.
sorry.
you're a patient man if you got through all that drivel huh?
i will ask my dh to find me some of the songs you have mentioned to listen to. (is it np3 or something like that?)
did you find the old thread about music that i commented on a while back? that could be brought back in here. you were talking about your father's theory of how we approach music with our minds, hearts and spirits i think.
jo
Uh Oh, big mis-identification ... Traveling Wilburies was Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, ROy Orbison (when he was alive), the guy from ELO and maybe George HArrison (but I'm not sure on him)
VERY different from Waits ... VERY different. Waits is a 2-packs and a fifth a day gravel.
The file extension to look for is "mp3"
I'll see what I have around here, I think I actually may have "Real Gone" with me and be able to rip some of the songs into mp3 with a free-ware program called "cdex" and have enough room to upload one or two at a time onto my web folder so you could download them and listen (but note, this is a trusting thing to do ... just as a matter of professional formality and safety, if you do go this route and your DH is computer efficient on this type of thing, have him check out the files before opening them ... I know I'm not setting you up with a virus, but it never hurts to be careful with anything involving something as large as the internet)
If I get some up I'll post a link here (to do a right click and "save as" from)
On me da's comments on music, it was:
-Rhythm appeals to the body
-Melody appeals to te soul
-Harmony appeals to the mind
Oh yeah, On Tom Waits .. he is in movies too (all of these are rentable):
1. Mystery Men (Ben Stiller, William H Macey, Paul Reubens, Jeanine Garaffalo) ad the developer of "non-lethal weapons"
2. The Fisher King (GREAT movie): the legless vietnam vet in Grand central station who talks to Jeff Bridges (not mentioned in the credits)
3. Down By Law: a really off beat but funny black and white with a more main character role with John Laurie and Roberto Benini (the one who did "Life Is Beautiful") - Waits is the DJ who winds up in Jail after getting pulled over in a car with a body in the trunk, having just been paid a hundred dollars to drive the car from one end of town to another
jo blushes profusely and realizes her gaf.
i was thinking of tom petty.
sorry.
ok. well i totally loved the 'fisher king' experience, so i'm sure the music was lovely. (that movie has one of my dh's favourite ever movie scenes in it) (closely followed by a cute little number called 'dogma'...... )
i will re educate myself before making any more comments on this music!!!!!!!
yes, that comment from your father is the one i was thinking of. did you read the reply i made to that thread?
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